Low frequency variability in the Southern Ocean #254
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Here is a look at TS in various piControls and 271 and 276. First, here's a simple analysis of TS standard deviation. I just omitted the first 50 years of each of them and plotted the 40-year running mean standard deviation. Lots of TS variance in the Southern Ocean in the Pacific sector in most of the runs, and perhaps more so in 271 and 276 as @adamrher was discussing in the context of trends in the project meeting. Of course we don't really know what we're looking at here e.g., is it differences in spin-up or actual low frequency variability.
Here's focussing on the blue box region in the Southern Ocean and showing annual mean timeseries and 20-year low pass filtered timeseries.
TS in this box looks quite highly correlated with the drake transport in the above figure. I think with this low frequency variability and with these short runs, it's hard to say whether we're looking at something really different here. I definitely think it's hard to say that 276 and 271 are different just from eyeballing. Here's now TS anomalies in that box for the historicals and the equivalent part of the PI control. One thing to note here is that the 271 TS in the historical starts to turn around. Perhaps the same is true for the ACC transport. Clearly the variability that's present in the piControl, whether that be equilibration or internal variability in TS in this region is dominating in what happens over the historical record too.
Here's an attempt at providing some insight into whether we think such variability is undesirable or not. It's showing TS in the box from 1950 to 2020 over which time BEST has coverage in this region and comparing both the historical and the piControls with BEST . Of course we only have one observational sample and we're talking about low frequency variability so it's difficult. But I think you get the sense from this figure that the low frequency variability that we see in TS in this region in the simulations is bigger than what's present in the observations. The observations exhiit a relatively constant long-term trend that's smaller than the low frequency fluctuations we see in the simulations.
We can take a look at this when our historicals have runs to the end and it seems like it would be worth running the piControls out longer to see whether 271 starts to reverse again, like it's companion historical does. |
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We just had a meeting to discuss this. Here are a few points I remember.
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Going through cesm_dev issues I saw this in issue #90 . I have forgotten what we actually wound up doing with Beljaars and Antarctic SGH30, but it might be worth looking in to. ================== from issue #90 user_nl_cam bnd_topo = '/glade/campaign/cgd/amp/pel/topo/cesm3/ne30pg3_gmted2010_modis_bedmachine_nc3000_Laplace0050_noleak_20250325.nc' clubb_c8 = 4.5->4.6 |
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This is from my 2012 paper, showing the Drake Passage (ACC) transport from several simulations along with corresponding zonal-mean zonal wind stress. In these simulations, GMs were comparable, I believe. So, there is quite a bit of sensitivity to the zonal wind stress. |
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I think Beljaars has been multiplied a factor of 4x in 178 compared to 156. This is applied globally. SGH30 in the experiments is the same, except for an enhancement applied around Greenland in 156. Thus, Beljaars drag is generally 4x stronger in 178 than in in 156. This could have an impact on stress around the Southern Ocean. |
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All - several of the sea ice folks have a bi-weekly Antarctic sea ice discussion. Today we discussed this problem. Will Hobbs mentioned that the ACCESS model, which uses MOM6, does NOT have the oscillation we're seeing and that GFDL also had. @iangrooms, @gustavo-marques have either of you or Gokhan spoken with the ACCESS team and looked into what their parameters are? Maybe this is barking up the wrong tree, but something we discussed for a while. |
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Do we have any diagnostics for precipitation south of 60S? I am wondering if our Southern Ocean problem is analogous to our Lab Sea problem. In the Lab Sea cold fresh water overlies warm salty water, with the stable density stratification driven by salinity. In the northern hemisphere we have too much precipitation leading to too much fresh water in the surface ocean. That enhances the stratification in the Lab Sea, which can prevent convection from bringing the warm water up to melt sea ice. We have altered the ocean parameterizations in such a way that this cold fresh water stays more in the boundary current, with less of it entering the central Lab Sea where it might otherwise shut down convection. In the Ross and Weddell seas cold fresh water similarly overlies warm salty water. An excess of precipitation over the southern ocean and Antarctica (e.g. south of 60S) could lead to too much cold/fresh water near the surface, enhancing the stratification, and preventing convection from releasing the deep heat anomalies. The buildup of these deep heat anomalies seems to be associated with the reduction of ACC strength (by reducing the meridional density gradient across the ACC). The buildup of heat weakens the stratification until eventually deep convection can penetrate and release it, allowing the ACC to recover. If there is an excess of precipitation at high southern latitudes, and if it could be reduced by atmospheric model tuning, it might keep the surface stratification weak enough that regular convection could prevent the slow buildup of deep heat anomalies. |
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Here is a place to discuss low frequency variability in the Southern Ocean in recent runs. @iangrooms @gustavo-marques @duvivier @adamrher
e.g., this low frequency variability in ACC transport that has been seen by @gustavo-marques and @iangrooms
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